NALSC Podcast Directory
NALSC Podcast Episode 36
Featuring Jae Um; interview by Jordan Abshire.
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NALSC Podcast Episode 36, featuring Jae Um
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Jae Um, Chief Growth Officer and Head of Knowledge at Lumio, shares her perspective on the future of the legal industry, drawing on her experience in law firm strategy, pricing, innovation, and business development. She argues that today’s legal market is becoming increasingly fragmented and dynamic, with firms differentiating themselves through more focused growth strategies rather than simply adding lawyers, offices, and practices.
Jae discusses how the rise of lateral hiring, evolving partnership expectations, and rapid advances in AI are reshaping both law firm competition and lawyer careers. She emphasizes that the most successful lawyers will combine self-awareness, collaboration, and curiosity, recognizing that modern legal practice is increasingly a team sport requiring adaptability and continuous learning.
We also explore how recruiters can better evaluate both candidates and firms, focusing on alignment, culture, and long-term compatibility.
Finally, Jae offers a measured view of AI’s impact on the profession, suggesting that while technology will change how legal services are delivered, the relationship-driven nature of high-end legal practice—and the need to develop future generations of lawyers—will remain essential.
Podcast Archive
Podcast Archive
NALSC Podcast Episode 36: Featuring Jae Um; interview by Jordan Abshire
NALSC Podcast Episode 36
Featuring Jae Um; interview by Jordan Abshire.
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NALSC Podcast Episode 36, featuring Jae Um
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NALSC Podcast Episode 35: Featuring Tiffany Ambrose
NALSC Podcast Episode 35
Featuring Tiffany Ambrose; interview by Jordan Abshire.
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NALSC Podcast Episode 35, featuring Tiffany Ambrose
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NALSC Podcast Episode 34: Featuring NALSC Board Member Victoria Gamble
NALSC Podcast Episode 34
Featuring NALSC Board Member Victoria Gamble
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NALSC Podcast Episode 34, featuring NALSC Board Member Victoria Gamble
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NALSC Podcast Episode 33: Featuring David Gialanella
NALSC Podcast Episode 33
Featuring David Gialanella
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NALSC Podcast Episode 33, featuring David Gialanella
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NALSC Podcast Episode 32: Featuring NALSC Conference speaker Stephanie Chen Banjo
NALSC Podcast Episode 32
Featuring NALSC Conference speaker Stephanie Chen Banjo
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NALSC Podcast Episode 32, featuring NALSC Conference speaker Stephanie Chen Banjo
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 31: Featuring Chris De Santis
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 31:
Featuring Chris De Santis
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 31: Chris De Santis
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NALSC Podcast Episode 30: Featuring Ava Diamond Dreyer and Andrew Blatter
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 30:
Featuring Ava Diamond Dreyer and Andrew Blatter
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NALSC Podcast Episode 30, featuring Conference Opening Speakers Ava Diamond Dreyer and Andrew Blatter
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 29: Featuring David Lat
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 29:
Featuring David Lat
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 29: featuring David Lat
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 28: Featuring PJ Dunn
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 28:
Featuring PJ Dunn
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 27: Featuring Patrick Fuller
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 27:
Featuring Patrick Fuller
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Patrick Fuller
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 26: Featuring Jarrett Green
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 26:
Featuring Jarrett Green
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 26: featuring
Jarrett Green
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 25: Featuring Kait LeDonne
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 25:
Featuring Kait LeDonne
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Kait LeDonne
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 24: Featuring Eva Wisnik
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 24:
Featuring Eva Wisnik; interview by Jordan Abshire.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 23: Featuring Blane Prescott
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 23:
Featuring Blane Prescott.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 22: Featuring Amy McCormack, Esq.
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 22:
Featuring Amy McCormack, Esq.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 21: Featuring Caren Ulrich Stacy; interview by Jordan Abshire
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 21:
Featuring Caren Ulrich Stacy; interview by Jordan Abshire.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 20: Featuring Michael Elkins, Esq. & Amy Berenson Mallow, JD, ACC, CPC, CELC.
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 20:
Featuring NALSC 2025 Annual Conference Speakers Michael Elkins, Esq. & Amy Berenson Mallow, JD, ACC, CPC, CELC.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 19: Featuring Sterling Miller
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 19:
Featuring Conference Speaker Sterling Miller, Esq., CEO of Hilgers Graben PLLC.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 18: Featuring Joe Ankus
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 18:
Featuring Joe Ankus.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 17: Featuring Connie Rinaldi, Stephanie Ankus, Valerie Fontaine
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 17:
Featuring Connie Rinaldi, Stephanie Ankus, Valerie Fontaine.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 16: Featuring Jennifer Gillman and Trevon Jenifer
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 16:
Featuring Jennifer Gillman and Trevon Jenifer; interview by Jordan Abshire.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 15: Featuring Nikia Gray and Kendall Lowery
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 15:
Featuring Fall Symposium Speakers Nikia Gray and Kendall Lowery; interview by Jordan Abshire
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 14: Featuring Mey Ly Ortiz and Esther Alpert
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 14:
Featuring Fall Symposium Speaker Mey Ly Ortiz and new NALSC Board Member Esther Alpert; interview by Jordan Abshire
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 13: Featuring Kevin Bacon & Hilary Gerzhoy
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 13:
Featuring New NALSC Board Member Kevin Bacon and Fall Symposium Speaker Hilary Gerzhoy; interview by Jordan Abshire
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 12: Featuring an interview with New NALSC Board Member Stuart Tenhoor
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 12:
Featuring new NALSC Board Member Stuart Tenhoor; interview by Jordan Abshire
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 11: Featuring an interview with Chuck Curtis, Jordan Abshire and Scott Love
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 11:
Featuring an interview with 2024 NALSC Conference Panel Facilitator Chuck Curtis, Jordan Abshire and Scott Love
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 10: Featuring 2024 Annual Conference speakers Rob Mosley and Alex Su, Esq.
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 10:
Featuring Interviews with Annual Conference Opening Speaker Rob Mosley (Managing Partner of Learning & Development at Next Level Exchange) and Keynote Presenter and Legal Industry Influencer Alex Su, Esq.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 9: Featuring Melissa Peters, and 2024 Fall Symposium speaker Zach Warren
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 9:
Featuring Interviews with New Board Member Melissa Peters, Esq. and Fall Symposium Speaker Zach Warren (Technology & Innovation Insights Lead at Thomson Reuters Institute) on “AI and ChatGPT for Legal Recruiters”
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 8: Featuring New Board Member Ethel Badawi and our Fall Symposium Keynote Speaker Chris Desantis
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 8:
In this episode, we introduce our new board member Ethel Badawi, and also have a conversation with our fall symposium keynote speaker Chris Desantis
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 7: Featuring Jordan Abshire, New Board Member; Tina Solis: When Laterals Move to Other Firms
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 7:
In this episode of the NALSC Podcast, we get to hear from Jordan Abshire, a new NALSC board member.
We also hear from Tina Solis with Nixon Peabody, who shares her insights and suggestions on what lateral attorneys need to know from an ethics perspective when moving to another firm.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 6: Conference Sneak Peek: Gina Passarella and Susan Lambreth, Interviewed by Scott Love
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 6:
In this special episode of Recruiter Stories, you will hear from two of our Spring Conference speakers, talking about their sessions and how they will help you. First, Scott Love interviews Gina Passarella, Editor-in-Chief, Global Legal Brands, with ALM media as she discusses her presentation, “Gina Passarella Looks into her Crystal Ball: Trends on Movement, Economics, and More.” Then Scott interviews Susan Lambreth, a founding Principal at LawVision and a management consultant to law firms, as she discusses talking points related to her panel discussion, “A Practice Group Leader’s Perspective for Lateral Recruiting”. Travis Parham, partner with Holland & Knight, will also sit on the panel.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 5: Featuring Mitch Satalof, Natalie Thorsen Harris, Scott Love, Chris Graham
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 5:
Scott Love interviews NALSC keynote speaker Chris Graham about his topic for our annual conference.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 4: Featuring Patrick Moya and 2022 Fall Symposium speaker Gary Miles
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 4:
In this episode, NALSC President Mitch Satalof interviews board member Patrick Moya; Board member Scott Love interviews Gary Miles to discuss his fall symposium presentation: The Data Behind the Shifting DEI Landscape
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 3: Featuring Featuring Kathy Richardson and Jason Feifer
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 3:
Featuring Kathy Richardson and Jason Feifer
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 2: Featuring Valerie Fontaine and Dan Binstock
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 2:
In this Episode, NALSC president Mitch Satalof interviews Valerie Fontaine, and Raphael Franze interviews Dan Binstock on his conference panel “Sensitive Situations”.
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NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 1: Featuring Ross Weil, Keith Fall, and Pat Gillette
NALSC Podcast Recruiter Stories Episode 1:
In our inaugural episode of “Recruiter Stories”, NALSC President Mitch Satalof interviews Ross Weil and Keith Fall with Walker Associates in New York City and NALSC Board Member Scott Love interviews Pat Gillette, keynote speaker at the 2022 NALSC Conference in Scottsdale, Arizona.
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The NALSC Mission
In addition to maintaining a strong Code of Ethics, NALSC is dedicated to:
- Enhancing the image of the legal search profession through national public relations;
- Providing education and information on trends and issues in the marketplace;
- Monitoring and responding to legislative and regulatory activity that may impact the legal search profession.